Civilization: The Expansion Project

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I'm going to have to go with Jonno. I'm not a professional translator, and the only language I know beyond my native English is Spanish, but I much prefer Advancement. Probably because (again as Jonno pointed out) Advancement can only be a noun, while Advance is valid as a noun, verb (transitive and intransitive), and adjective.

That is a lot of that weight for that word to carry. Also, the word Advance used as a noun is most commonly used for someone being given something ahead of time, as in "Can I have an advance on my next paycheck?" you just were loaned money that you would normally not receive until pay day.


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Well, if you want my opinion, I just don't belive both 'advance' and 'advancenment' are right. it's not just looking it up in a dictionary, but the way it is applied.

Even though the dictionary says THE WORD mean the same, there sare so many expamples where a word would mean something, but in a way it is used it means something else.

The translator I was talking too even had no doubts. I guess he would also translate 'advancement' the same, but when a civlization discovers or develops somthing he said it's just caleld 'an advance'





thinking about this, I think 'advancement' is 'taking the step' where 'advance' is the achieved step when is is allready made



like (for example)

The celts made the advancement to 'cloth making' and then they had the advance 'cloth making'

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Actually I would say that the Celts advanced (verb) their cloth making, after which they would put the advancement (noun) into use...

But then neither of us are native speakers. And I take McBeth's comment as confirmation of my conclusion that both is correct, and that the severe overloading of uses of the world advance speaks in the favour of the word advancement.

However, I would much rather that we returned to the discussion of the website and/or the logo/fonts/etc as I never got much response to my other points in my previous post.


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Then, now to an answer to previous posts (hadn't much time earlier)



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As for adjusting it yourself, that is very important to me, as I almost always have to do it myself to be able to read the text. There is more than one site out there which I had to abandon because the text was unreadable small, and it was impossible to increase it myself.


What I meant is not the ablity to change, that's just great, but an addition. The default should be easily readable and not based on exotic fonts that have to be installed. I mean, the replacement font should be primar to the exotic font.

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As for using images rather than text, that is possible on the main site, and in the menu, but not on the forum, as that is database driven user generated content.


I understand. For a website a Sans-serif is best. And that goes for plain text as well as headers.

When you use images for headers, you could use even more FX and gradients and stuff. Any serif-font will work. You could interpret these as logos.

For he forum we gotta stick to arial/verdana default I think.
Just look at ANY website. how much percent serif-fonts do you see. very little. People are use to arials anyway, but the main reason is, that serif-fonts are less easy to read online, where on paper, the opposite, serif-fonts are best readable

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Finally some concrete suggestions! I've been waiting nine months for these. Wink


Fisrtly I didn't know you were dying for suggestions, secondly, if you don't mind me, myself, had priorities in drawing and researching rather than the best font for the website and rulebook.

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though one would have to find a larger stone slab image, so one can fit "The Expansion Project" on a second line under "CIVILIZATION")


I used a highress (square) image of rock and just did a very fast cutout of it to fit the word. As I mentioned, It took me 2 minutes. You can use any size and any loopable texture.

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Don't know exactly what to do with the trade card back though.

How did you like my cave-paintings for tradecards backs.
http://www.civproject.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=472
I played a game with it now, and they look great to me.
(i used cave-paintings to indicate the very start of civilization before the first trade, for any trade goods should reach the very first (8000BC) to the very last (250BC). I'd rather take a NON-trade good. Thats why I ended up using a cave-painting.)
Another fine thing I was looking for was especially NOT a plain backgrouond, but a chaotic one. This make your card less obvious when keeping it in front of a light source. A plain solid background could show the digit shining through. I've done some tests earlier and this was best to me. (a chaotic background). If you use deckprotectors this might not be a problem, but not all user take those.

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And do you have some stone slab images for me to play with?


Look up "stone' or 'Rock' + texture in google.
There are several sites like these by the way with various qualities:

http://www.cgtextures.com/

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Or would you even like to elaborate this two minute exercise into a branding proposal yourself? I think I'd prefer that, as that gives me less work and probably a better result...


I would like to do that, but don't give me time-pressure. I can make anything you want, but in my time.

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Flo de Haan wrote:
Jonno wrote:
As for adjusting it yourself, that is very important to me, as I almost always have to do it myself to be able to read the text. There is more than one site out there which I had to abandon because the text was unreadable small, and it was impossible to increase it myself.

What I meant is not the ablity to change, that's just great, but an addition. The default should be easily readable and not based on exotic fonts that have to be installed. I mean, the replacement font should be primar to the exotic font.

OK, just that I always thought the old forum was too small fonts and could use a bit bigger default. There is a swedish saying that might be apropriat here though, "Smaken är som baken: delad." (approx "Taste is like the backside: divided).
Does text body (not heading) have a decent font size now? (I'm not yet satisfied with headings, as I'm not sure of what font to use yet.) Personally I think it is bordering to small, but reasonably decent.

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For he forum we gotta stick to arial/verdana default I think.
Just look at ANY website. how much percent serif-fonts do you see. very little. People are use to arials anyway, but the main reason is, that serif-fonts are less easy to read online, where on paper, the opposite, serif-fonts are best readable

For body text, Arial (or the virtually identically looking Liberation Sans for open source operating system users) is the obvious choice. For minor headings Verdana (or the similarly, but not identical, DejaVu Sans or Bitstream Vera Sans for open source operating system users) is an equally obvious choice. For top level headings I'd prefer something more elaborate. There is however no elaborate font you can guarantee all users have installed, so you'll have to fall back though. If we go with a Castellar-based layout we could perhaps use that. It would even work for most people, as Castellar seams to be included in at least some MS Office versions. Still need a fallback with similar font metrics for non-MS users, but I think small-caps Verdana is close enough. I'll do some experimentations later.

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Finally some concrete suggestions! I've been waiting nine months for these. ;-)

Fisrtly I didn't know you were dying for suggestions, secondly, if you don't mind me, myself, had priorities in drawing and researching rather than the best font for the website and rulebook.

I've not been asking about fonts per see, but for suggestions for a consistent graphical profile (or branding) multiple times in at least five different threads since June last year, but only got complaints of my current "least bad" proposal without any suggestions for improvements until now.

Of course, prioritizing your great work with the advances, calamities and commodities was of course the right choice. I'm not complaining about you but the general situation.

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though one would have to find a larger stone slab image, so one can fit "The Expansion Project" on a second line under "CIVILIZATION")


I used a highress (square) image of rock and just did a very fast cutout of it to fit the word. As I mentioned, It took me 2 minutes. You can use any size and any loopable texture.

Oh. Creating natural looking edges to a (semi-)3d object based on a texture is unfortunately outside of my skill set. If I'm to produce anything I need a finished image. I can scale, stretch and rotate it, but that's about it unfortunately ;-)

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Don't know exactly what to do with the trade card back though.

How did you like my cave-paintings for tradecards backs.
http://www.civproject.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=472

Actually, I don't particularly like it :-( It's just my personal taste, but I don't.

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And do you have some stone slab images for me to play with?

Look up "stone' or 'Rock' + texture in google.
There are several sites like these by the way with various qualities:
http://www.cgtextures.com/

A I said above, I'd need ready images, not textures, but I'll sure add that site to my bookmarks for other future uses...

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Or would you even like to elaborate this two minute exercise into a branding proposal yourself? I think I'd prefer that, as that gives me less work and probably a better result...

I would like to do that, but don't give me time-pressure. I can make anything you want, but in my time.

Of course. Unfortunately I'd like to release something soon, as the rules and all components are "finished" except for a possible change in branding.
At the same time I'd prefer not to launch a completely new branding this week, just to redo it all one month later (or whatever time you need)...
Don't know how to solve this. Won't do anything right now anyway...


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At the moment (Where the Avalon Hill-Civilization-storm has been weakened for now) I'm spending my spare time at another project. Painting the minatures of the enemy, Sid Meier's Civilization for a friend of mine. I'll be busy with this at least the month of may and mabye a part of june.

I'm going to Crete in june, so I won't be taking up 'big' projects until that time. Just to clear my mind, not because of the time in the first place.

But I could be doing some work on this in any moment I'm not painting.

Still we're playing a 8/9-player game of AHCiv in may and my mind will be at this project anyway, so...


For any Dutch readers here: I'm planning a 18-player game in september or so, still looking for a place to play. (Just keep it in mind. I'll be contacting players personnaly anyway)

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