RHETORIC
ART EXPLANATION
The definition of Rhetoric is generally understood to be the art or technique of persuasion through the use of oral, visual, or written language. Classical philosophers believed the skilled use of rhetoric was essential to the discovery of truths, because it provided the means of ordering and clarifying arguments. You see someone standing up to convince a crowd of his ideas.

I've been gone for awhile!

Holy Crap... just looked through this thread. Very, very good work Flo!

I might have more to say once I read all of it. hehe!

Thanks man!

I didn't know if the founder of all this even was involved with this site anymore at all.

I appreciate it very much that you dig my work.

Yes, I'm surprised more people haven't commented.

Well,

As I may speak for myself. There are more forums I haven't been checking for the past 6 months myself. ANd besides. Not all are willing to reply. When I see how much this topic has been read, i believe a lot of viewers don't reply.



For anyone reading this:

When you don't like my work. Let me know! I'm happy to be told. All I do I try to get the best results, not to gain compliments.

Some of my close friends and people from my group react to me personally when I show em the drawings from paper. This helps me a lot. It has been the reason before that I redrew some images.

When my work is finished, I think I won't change it. So this is the time to react if you think I make mistakes.

DIASPORA
ART EXPLANATION
The term diaspora is used to refer to any people or ethnic population who are forced or induced to leave their traditional homelands. I drew an exodus of people. There was nothing wrong with the original image, excepte for the style being far from the rest. I just drew a new group of people. Looking closely you can see some figures from the original art in my new one.

Well,

I finally finished the final 3 drawing. Which doesn't mean I'm ready.

Maybe there is one image I'll redraw. As I mentioned before. I'd like some reply on this.
Besides that, I'm also gonna work on the layout of the cards. I allready posted some of my ideas. I think I'm gonna start a new topic on just the layout.

One thing I add (which wasn't on the original cards) is a short text about the subject. So everybody gets to know and learn something when playing. This is going to be on the back of the card.

below are the final 3 cards. very difficult ones to me. I've read a lot on the subjects, but it was hard to find the right image. That's the reason why I held them back.

The subjects Philosophy and Empiricism are so woven together that I didn't want to use the wrong image. One thin sure was that I wanted to use Aristotle for an image. Also Plato was a name I came accross very often when reading on all the cards.

I finally chose to cut a section of the "School of Athens" by Rafael in two.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_School_of_Athens

I like this painting very much by the way. I'm happy to have seen this in real. You gotta go to The Vatican in Rome to see it yourself, because it isn't painted on Canvas, but on the wall itself.

On the painting you see various famous philosophers, and in the center the two most important. (Leonardo DaVinci posing for) Plato and Aristotle.







Funny thing is, for you hardrockers out there.

Anyone owns "Use Your Illusion" by Guns n' Roses?
The album covers is another section of the painting.





About the image for Politics. I searched and searched, but couldn't find a better image than the original one. I just redrew it.

POLITICS
ART EXPLANATION
Politics consists of "social relations involving authority or power" and refers to the regulation of a political unit, and to the methods and tactics used to formulate and apply policy.
Politics literally means "the things concerning the polis." A polis is a city-state and also citizenship and body of citizens. The poleis were not like other primordial ancient city-states which were ruled by a king or a small oligarchy, but rather a political entity ruled by its body of citizens. While the polis would control territory and colonies beyond the city itself, the polis would not simply consist of a geographical area. The body of citizens came to be the most important meaning of the term polis in ancient Greece.
You see two politician making a agreement

PHILOSOPY
ART EXPLANATION
Philosophy is the discipline concerned with questions of how one should live (ethics); what sorts of things exist and what are their essential natures (metaphysics); what counts as genuine knowledge (epistemology); and what are the correct principles of reasoning (logic ).
You see the philosp[her Plato (428 BC - 348 BC)

EMPIRICISM
ART EXPLANATION
In philosophy generally, empiricism is a theory of knowledge emphasizing the role of experience, especially sensory perception, in the formation of ideas, while discounting the notion of innate ideas.
Aristotle (384 BC - 322 BC) was one of Plato's students, but placed much more value on knowledge gained from the senses, and would correspondingly better earn the modern label of empiricist. Thus Aristotle set the stage for what would eventually develop into the scientific method centuries later.

Today. Christmas. Enough free time to spend some hours on drawing.
While my girl was doing some other stuff, I went through my drawings of last months to see wether I'm happy with all and found that I should redraw five of em.

Music, Literacy, Library, Cartography and Theology (2nd time)

I'm not easiliy pleased and want to get the best of my skills (no matter how good or bad they are)

During the months I experienced a bit with the tone of my drawings (which I edited in Photoshop). I decided to keep em all clean, with no editing.
The first ones contained a grey filling, I'll remove all that
I also tried the "cut out" effect. Sometimes I liked it. Sometimes not.
So I'll remove that too.

Library (first image) took me a lot of time. Still I'm not happy with the image, so today I drew a new one.

Music used to be very easy, (a drum and a flute) So I think I could do better. It got a bit better. Still difficult to see it's a drum. I think I keep the 2nd image.

Cartography contained a lot of horizontal lines, which were a bit messy. I tried crosslines this time for the water.

Theology was the first image, and the last too. (fun) ONce I drew all images I went though the orignal ones, and found that the previous image for Empiricism was a lot better for Theology. (anyway. I believe the image did not suit Empiricism, because reading what others think is the opposite of Empiricism)

Literacy contained a lot of crosslines to indicate it's a stone. I didn;t like it. Since I removed the grey filling, I wanted to do that one again too.



Well. looking back on all. I think I can never be happy with all 51. Some drawings are better than other. That will be the same for professionals.
For now. As a whole set. I'm happy. Ready to work on the layout.


Please react soon, if you want me to change one more image!

Since you asked, If I have one image that I think could be improved it would be monument. I think a closer up image would be more impressive.
Here is one I use.


Shot at 2007-12-26

Hey BWR
thanks for your reply.

I think you are right about that. But I want to use the Heliopolis monolith for the image. because that was the most important and first monument of that time.

I could try an image wth a more closer image of that.


The sphinx would be an option for Wotw. I've even tried that. But chose for the piramid alone.

I'll come back on it!

I've been reading again on the subject Monument / Heliopolis obelisk. Just to make sure I don't make mistakes. I wouldn't want that. Looking to the cost of monument in our game, I believe I should 'actually' work with 'advanced monument' for an image. )

When it comes to the "development" of Monument,
I realize that The obelisk of Heliopolis was the first large obelisk.

wiki:
The earliest temple obelisk still in its original position is the 68 ft. high red granite obelisk of Senusret I of the XIIth Dynasty at Heliopolis. (1972-1928 B.C.)

Egipto.com:
The needle of stone had the function of perforating the clouds and dispersing negative forces that always threaten to accumulate, in the form of visible storms or invisible ones, and was placed over the temple as a symbol of a petrified ray.
It was placed in the center of large open spaces in the temples of the solar god RA. They arose, by the time of the predynastic period cults, to a great sacred stone which was raised in the Temple of Heliopolis, the "City of the Sun."

These were very important monuments:
wiki:
The Romans were infatuated with Obelisks, to the extent that there are now more than twice as many Obelisks standing in Rome as remain in Egypt. All fell after the Roman period except for the Vatican Obelisk and were re-erected in different locations.

(I've been in Rome for a few weeks myself. You can see them on every street on places and sqaures.)




BWR, you suggested to use (for example) the sphinx of Giza
That one was built actually 1000 years earlier. (2723 – 2563 BC).

So based on that, that should be the image for the card. I've held that one for an image for Wonder of the world, before deciding to draw the piramid. (2500 BC).
Both Piramid and Spynx are older monuments for the egyptians, (and in my opinion both wonders ot world).

I was also looking for the importance of the monument in other cultures, and that's why I went for the obelisk. It was not the earliest monument, but a very important "advanced monument" seen in several cultures.
Both the piramids and sphinxes were seen in other cultures too (e.g. the greek) but were not as important as the obelisks.

The Sphinx as large as the one in Giza, is never seen elsewhere.
I believe that "Monument" stands for 'the use of monuments', instead of only one monument itself.

So that's my conclusion. Please let me know wether you agree or not?




When it comes to the image itself. As I said I would go for the Obelisk of Heliopolis. Yesterday, I made some examples of how another view of that obelisk could look on our card. Just before even drawing myself. (something I did with other cards too)



When I choose for the Obelisk, I cannot come to a better view than the one I chose to draw. Because It shows the imenseness of the thing. Including people surrounding the stone, so you see the dimensions.



Now, (including the subject of the antykithera Mechanism for Astronomy)
it seems like I am not willing to change my drawings at all, but please believe that's not true. Each and every one of the images I drew are well chosen after a good research.

And I think, that everybody, that would take this job would get another result. (apart from the good or bad quality of drawing)



Still the subject for Monument is not closed for my part. I hope you can convince me with good resaerch or arguments, why I should draw another one. Maybe I have a tunnelvision.


I wait for your reply. First I'm going to be busy with the layout otf the cards.

Hello Flo,

An artist need not please any one other them him/herself. If you are happy with the Monument art the way it is I will not argue. Many people would not even consider changes considering the amount of work.
I think your art should be made official as it's consistent in style and is one more piece that makes the project legitimate as it would be all original work.