I've made an easy list, that also looks good to print.

Myself, I printed a bunch of these, and laminated them.

This way all players can easily see what cards give specific credits to what card.

For now I upload a lowres version.
For a highres, you can email me, or maybe Jonno wants to place it in the archive or anywhere.

I've made 4 options.
One person would prefer the one above the other.
Because this is so easy to make, you can choose yourself.
Best is to print a few of all and let the players decide.

These looks great. However, as you might have gathered by now, I HATE the lossy compression of jpeg files. Please re-upload as png!

Also, if you have the source-files (svg, xcf, psd, or whatever you used) I'd love those as well.

Just an idea: If one added the generic credits symbols to each advancement it could completely replace the civilization advances credits quick chart for those who'd prefer it.

As I stated

I have psd's and I've sent you a message about that. I could send you the psd's if you want to share them here.

The extra symbols could be an option. I'm going to work that out. (allready thought about that)
For now, these lists are easy to read and easy to use.

Don't know it it will work easy. It might be chaotic.

It'll also be an A4-document.


About the png/jpg issue. I prefer jpg above png. Don't need discussion about that. For any low-res preview (no def files) i will use .jpg. For any def files, I only use .psd. I'm not changing that.

Please send me the psds (the above was as much a reply to your PM as to your post, sorry if that wasn't clear). Also please not that in your PM, as well as your original post, you only mentioned hi-res images (eg 300dpi png/jpeg), not source images (svg/xcf/psd), thus my explicit mention of them.

Regarding the symbols, nice to hear your already working on it, it was just an idea I got when looking at them. If it doesn't work out, it doesn't, and that is that. Just thought someone should try it out and see how it worked.

As for png v.s. jpeg, I just never see the benefit of jpeg. You visibly distorts the image only to save about 10% bandwidth. jpeg was great in the era of 28.8k modems and 66MHz processors, but in the current era, with broadband and multi-gigahertz processors, there are much better options available (such as png).
Imho previews of the images isn't to save bandwidth compared to the source images, but purely for viewing convenience (if all browsers supported inline svg, xcf, and psd I would never publish even png images).
Of course I can't force you to do anything, nor will I ignore what you do because of such a technicality, but please excuse my nagging, I really do hate jpeg compression (not your fault, I know, but anyway)...

yep. I cannot deal with your hatred on this.

Some programs I use work better with jpg. the same for things like faxing is still aplied in offices, this also shows you gotta work with different files / systems / qualities. Just as long when you go for the final files, you'll always work with the best option.

I work as video-editor. Blu-ray and DVD are well applied. Nevertheless, I commonly recieve VHS-tapes from people. or even worse quality. gotta deal with it. Full HD is 1920 x 1280 px. Still many people still want to start a project on SD video (720 x 576 px). Gotta deal with it.

Yes, one has to deal with it, and I do, but part of dealing with it is arguing change. Perhaps someone someday improves because of it.
Also note that in your analogy, there is a cost (as in money) of switching. There is no cost switching from png to jpeg.
As for faxing etc, if your fax only works with jpeg, do use jpeg with your fax, but you don't have to give jpegs to me because of that. The last program I used that worked better with jpegs than pngs was Internet Explorer 4, and that was ages ago. There probably are special-purpose programs you are using that I'm not that doesn't work properly with pngs, but that doesn't mean you can not use png's where it does work. To continue on your analogy, that would be like you always working with VHS tapes, just because some customers can't work with Blu-ray, instead of working with whatever is the best format available to all parties (Blu-ray, HD-DVD, DVD, VHS or whatever).

Anyway, I received your hi-res (but not source) psd images you mailed me. Reencoded them as png (saving about 2MB per image, with no loss) and uploaded them to the archive. Would still love your source-images (with layers) so it's possible to change them, in case you ever leave the project, or loses interest in this particular project.

I'm with Jonno. JPEG has become a cultural problem online. Because it is _the_ file format for images in people's minds, it gets used in lots of situations where it isn't applicable. I am a scientist, and if I had a quarter for each graph that has obviously passed through JPEG, I could retire at 30 and work on Civ for the rest of my life. JPEG isn't appropriate for graphs because feature location is important, there are few colors in the image, and you want sharp edges. As you know, JPEG isn't made for any of that. Strangely enough maps, playing cards, and the like have those same strange features. People still complain about the map for Hammer of the Scots for having clearly passed through a JPEG stage.

Ok

I've made a quick preview of how the new credit sheet might look. (the colours are right, the numbers aren't)

I call this list "The Strategy Explorer"




I'd say: Print one out, and try to look what cards to buy when you want to goal for example "wonder of the world" or any other option.

I think it'll work out fine.

Honestly, I've having trouble determining which advance each credit belongs to. I think a landscape version with credit tokens next to the name, rather than below it, would work better. Just an idea though.

OK, i will try a few lines.

Another option is drawing a box around the total of name and credits per card. I will try both.

I think The Strategy Explorer is a good one, but some small things would make it perfect:
Put correctly the number of credits in the symbols. That makes it much easier then having a 20 everywhere. Do count in the colours when printing the credits, so print Empiricism gives 5/5/5/0/5, print literacy gives 5/5/5/5/5 and print mathematics gives 10/5/10/5/10.
For written record, monument and wonder of the world, the tokens are of your choice, so you can print for these only the number (5, 10 resp. 20) without symbols.
For the rest it is enough to know monocoloured cards gives 10 credit to its colour, and doublecoloured cards gives 5 credit to both its colours.

I've made a new topic for this here:

http://www.civproject.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3304#3304