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| Author: | blemia [ 2006-04-18 12:20:45 ] |
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hi, "fundamentalism" is a term about modern people who think about an age of gold in the past. I think that "orthodoxy" is older, more positive (it's not a calamity) and more adapted to a game concerning the dawn of humanity. Maybe another word? |
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| Author: | Velusion [ 2006-04-18 15:27:58 ] |
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Ohhh... I like, I like.... |
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| Author: | BWR [ 2006-04-18 20:06:04 ] |
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I like it too. Good suggestion Blemia. |
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| Author: | mcbeth [ 2006-04-19 4:24:35 ] |
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here here |
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| Author: | Jonno [ 2006-04-19 6:03:38 ] |
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I like it too, so if noone protest I'll change it for the next version (whenever that will be). |
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| Author: | mcbeth [ 2006-04-19 7:30:09 ] |
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It sounds pretty well received. The new name will make it into Celtic Fury (or whatever we decide to name the next playtest) |
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| Author: | Flo de Haan [ 2008-01-02 16:36:19 ] |
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Aha. Protest! Working on the new arts, I came to this subject and did some research. Wikipedia: The word orthodoxy, from the Greek ortho ('right', 'correct') and doxa ('thought', 'teaching', 'glorification'), is typically used to refer to the correct worship or the correct theological and doctrinal observance of religion, or other forms of intellectual activity shared by organizations or movements, as determined by some overseeing body. To me that has nothing to do with the agression this card represents. Fundamentalism represents cultures that were antagonistic and not tolerant of other religions. Wikipedia: The term "fundamentalism" was originally coined to describe a narrowly defined set of beliefs that developed into a movement within the US Protestant community. The term "fundamentalist" has since been generalized to mean strong adherence to any set of beliefs in the face of criticism or unpopularity, but has by and large retained religious connotations(especially since the Iranian revolution, when Islamic fundamentalism became a term used to explain the political Islamic movement based on fundamental Islamic beliefs). The collective use of the term fundamentalist to describe non-Christian movements has offended some Christians who desire to retain the original definition: These critics strongly object to being grouped with what they see as widely divergent philosophies. Some fundamentalist movements, claim to be founded upon the same religious principles as the larger group, but the fundamentalists more self-consciously attempt to build an entire approach to the modern world based on strict fidelity to those principles, to preserve a distinctness both of doctrine and of life. So when (IN OUR GAME) I compare this to "Universal Doctrine" the card differs from converting (heathen) to destroying (any non-heathen). I really belief the word "Fundementalism" is the right one for our card. It may be a modern word, but the same goes for "Coinage", "Roadbuilding" , "Enlightenment" and some more. That is not to say the subject "fundamentalism" (as well as the other words) is not the right word. It is a word used nowadays. Since "Orthodoxy" is not exactly the same as "Fundamentalism" I really plead for "Fundamentalism" |
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| Author: | Jonno [ 2008-01-03 12:11:57 ] |
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I had completely forgotten about this issue, and wouldn't have changed it unless I was reminded about it. But but as you have a good argument for your case I won't change it anyway, unless someone comes with a better counter-argument. |
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| Author: | BWR [ 2008-01-09 21:41:03 ] |
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Just for discussions sake how about Zealotry? |
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| Author: | Jonno [ 2008-01-10 6:56:27 ] |
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BWR wrote: Just for discussions sake how about Zealotry? Absolutely not. That was a specific religious and political movement in Israel in the first century AD. So, it's still "modern", both in the sense that the concept didn't exist in the time span of the game, and that the current meaning of the word has changed over time, and it didn't get it's current meaning until recently. Additionally the current meaning of the word "Zealotry" doesn't match the card as good as the current meaning of the word "Fundamentalism". |
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| Author: | MiracleMat [ 2008-03-08 9:44:42 ] |
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Hello guys. Been away for a bit. Just played a few turns of Hellenization until a player pissed me off and I left. Re: Orthodoxy I am designing a Euro Civ game right now and I am using Orthodoxy as an Advance. The benefits allow the holder to covert neutral tokens. I did a lot of research on the term and settled on Orthodoxy, but I'm not 100%. I may disagree with Flo de Haan (Nice work on everything BTW!) slightly. I think the word means Right Teaching and involves a very narrow mindset. To me, that harbors aggressive thought and action. Fundamentalism is too modern. Perhaps Dogma? Dogmatism? |
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| Author: | Flo de Haan [ 2008-03-08 12:22:05 ] |
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Hey, thanks As you've noticed I've done this research, and apart from the doubt of orthodoxy/fundamentalism I really don't think the word 'fundamentalism' is too modern. It just got another meaning over the years. The same for words like 'superstition', which now is linked to black cats and the number 13. You gotta accept the original meaning. Where 'orthodoxy' means staying close to the original litteraly meaning of a religion, 'fundamentalism' is breaking with the group to strongly interpret a religion in a certain way. This may lead to aggresivly making a point to have a right to exist. |
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