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| Author: | BWR [ 2006-02-23 17:40:03 ] |
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Hello. Since Jonno has said it would be alright to offer suggestions for graphic changes, I thought I'd offer this. It has always been a pet peeve of mine that the art for Monotheism and Theology were anacronistic for the time period of Civilization, that is to say, they feature a Christian Cross and a Medieval Monk in a pre-christain era. I therefore suggest these changes. For Monotheism I like the black and white drawing of the Ark of the Covenant on this page: http://www.moshiach.com/tribes/ns/5.html Then for Theology, I offer this drawing of Moses: http://www.christiananswers.net/kids/moseten.gif Perhaps others can offer suggestions that are not Jewish if they wish. Thanks. |
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| Author: | Jonno [ 2006-02-24 0:57:29 ] |
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Christianity is actually within the game timespan, which end 250AD, though medieval monks certainly isn't (they started to appear about 300AD). That said I realy like your images, ecpecially the Ark. The Moses image is imho a bit "clinical", and the face just loook weird. Not perfect, but I think it would work. However, the Moses picture features the ten commandment, and considering the first ("You shall have no other gods besides Me") it's a perfect fit for Monotheism, not Theology... Basicly you have given me two good images for Monotheism, but none for Theology, which is in a greater need of replacement... |
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| Author: | Jon.G [ 2006-02-24 2:29:13 ] |
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Hi ! I would like to do a suggestion about this. I really miss more art relative to one of the most important cultures of ancient times, Egypt. I like this one for Monotheism, Akhenaton, originally named Amenhotep IV was the founder of the first monotheistic religion of which we have written records and archeological evidence. He deserves one advance card, doesn't he?:) I like this one ( after working it a bit with photoshop ). http://www.mysticunicorn.com/EGE-77.html Regards. Jon G. www.civiboard.com/hellas/index.html |
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| Author: | Jonno [ 2006-02-24 4:19:44 ] |
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Quote: Originally posted by Jon.G I would like to do a suggestion about this. I really miss more art relative to one of the most important cultures of ancient times, Egypt. I like this one for Monotheism, Akhenaton, originally named Amenhotep IV was the founder of the first monotheistic religion of which we have written records and archaeological evidence. He deserves one advance card, doesn't he?:) Well, it is certainly interesting, especially since the worship of Aten didn't end until 1333 BC (when Tutankhamen became pharaoh), and Moses left Egypt about 1280 BC, just 50 years later. Also note that Moses was raised as a minor Egyptian prince, and would at the very least have heard of Aten... Quote: Originally posted by Jon.G I like this one ( after working it a bit with photoshop ). http://www.mysticunicorn.com/EGE-77.html The problem with that one is the recognition factor. Most people will recognize Moses with the laws, or even the Ark of the Covenant, but everyone seeing your image will just see Egyptians worshiping the sun, and will thus assume Ra (the best known Egyptian sun god), which isn't part of any monotheistic religion... |
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| Author: | mcbeth [ 2006-02-24 7:18:38 ] |
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What about a Mithraic lion? Mithraism was monotheistic in Persia (outshoot of Zoroaster), derived from earlier monotheistic sun worshiping religions, and a source of a lot of the early Christian strength. Both Judaism and Christianity have the Lion of Judah in their mythologies (I am christian and am using the previous word in a very limited sense), plus *cough*Aslan*cough* |
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| Author: | mcbeth [ 2006-02-24 7:39:22 ] |
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http://www.masada.org.za/TheTwoBabylons ... gure42.jpg we would have to work this one over a lot, but I like it  http://www.tylwythteg.com/mithra/lionhead_jp40.jpg But I suspect those all are a bit too obscure. I guess we are really striving for Theology. How about something from the book of the dead? I've always liked this part of the story in particular. I could probably line-art it a bit to make it more appropriate for a card. http://www.metmuseum.org/explore/newegy ... e/book.jpg |
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| Author: | BWR [ 2006-02-24 11:07:52 ] |
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Another possibility for Theology: http://www.messianiccommunity.com/TorahUnrolled.gif It's Jewish themed again. I feel that a Jewish theme is more recognizable as being Theological. I suggest if we want to add a Egyptian themed card we replace the Chinese Dragon on the Mythology card and use something from Egyptian Mythology. |
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| Author: | BWR [ 2006-02-24 13:25:22 ] |
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Jonno wrote: Christianity is actually within the game timespan, which end 250AD, though medieval monks certainly isn't (they started to appear about 300AD). Okay, I've always interpreted the AST as ending at 250 B.C. Are you quite sure about this? |
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| Author: | mcbeth [ 2006-02-24 14:29:22 ] |
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I'm pretty sure it is 250 BC |
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| Author: | Velusion [ 2006-02-24 20:32:15 ] |
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I like the Ark picture... that would seem to work very well. I like the Torha picture for Theology, but I'd be more inclinded to want to spead out the symobols between the largest of the ancient civilizations... Hinduism (Shiva?), Taoism (the Yin-Yang would work well... though we don't cover china), Confucius, or Buddism (buddist monk?). Egypt is a very rich source - but already featured with Monarchy. Interesing thoughts though! |
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| Author: | Jonno [ 2006-02-25 6:10:11 ] |
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I'm not 100% sure on the BC/AD issue, but I've always interpreted it as 250 AD, perhaps mainly because the original contained materials from AD, and certainly a lot post 250BC. Anyway, Christianity is still on the outskirts, and imho both discussed images should be replaced, if suitable replacements can be found. Personally I like the Moses and Torah images, as they convey the same messages as the current images, while featuring a Jewish theme rather than a Christian one. However, neither image is perfect in terms of aesthetics (Moses being a bit clinical, and the Torah a bit grainy), so if someone with better drawing skills than me would give them a touch, that would be appreciated. The final image should be no wider than 650px, and no taller than 500px, preferably somewhere about 500x500, though I can scale images if necessary. |
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| Author: | BWR [ 2006-02-25 12:15:47 ] |
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Velusion wrote: I like the Ark picture... that would seem to work very well. I like the Torha picture for Theology, but I'd be more inclinded to want to spead out the symobols between the largest of the ancient civilizations... Hinduism (Shiva?), Taoism (the Yin-Yang would work well... though we don't cover china), Confucius, or Buddism (buddist monk?). I prefer the Torah for Theology because, as I said, it's easily recognizable as Theology and there's a certain symetry between the new drawing and the old one. A Buddha would be recognizable and work too though. I've always considered the Enlightenment artwork as being Quasi-Buddhist myself so Buddhism isn't entirely ignored in my opinion. For Monotheism I prefer the Ark as it fits the dynamics of the card better to me. That is to say, it implies "I am moving into your area and converting it" better than the Moses picture for me. I can understand Velusion's desire for diversity however. I thought in-game cultures would be preferable hence my suggestion on changing the Chinese dragon of Mythology but perhaps not. Can I suggest perhaps an Sumerian, Persian or Indian theme for Mythology, and an Egyptian theme for Monument? Monument and Deism look very similar right now. By the way I noticed on the side of my game box it says 5000 to 250 B.C. though it doesn't matter too much as it's not a particularly historical game. I think the original artist had a lack of historical knowledge. Edit: Here's an example for Mythology, Gilgamesh. http://www.aina.org/images/image5.gif And one for Monument: http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/egypt/eg04_00a.gif |
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| Author: | Flo de Haan [ 2007-09-02 22:20:20 ] |
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I am busy renewing most of the art of which I think it could be done better. First step is to gather images, on which the new art could be based. For Monument, i guess the best option is a Benben-stone like this: 
I you don't know what this is, read the article on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benben It might be some kind of the oldest form monument, the pre-piramid. it's also a good form to redraw as a line-drawing. |
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| Author: | BWR [ 2007-09-21 1:17:20 ] |
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Flo, Regarding your intent to use Aten for Monotheism for your new art: I think Jonno makes a good point. The recognition factor would be low. Well you're the artist so it's up to you. |
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| Author: | Flo de Haan [ 2007-10-10 12:29:48 ] |
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For anyone reading this topic: http://www.civproject.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=433&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15 Here you can find any conclusion to this matter.... :) |
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