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Flo de Haan wrote:

...I doubt with you. It's a fact this should be clearified in the rules.
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29.6.1 Cyclone (major, non-tradable)
29.6.1.1 A Cyclone will occur in an open sea area and affect all adjacent coastal areas. The open sea area that will affect the most of the primary victim’s cities must be chosen. The primary victim breaks any ties.
29.6.1.2 If the primary victim has no cities vulnerable to Cyclone, this calamity has no effect.
29.6.1.3 The primary victim must reduce three of his coastal cities exposed to the Cyclone. All other players must each reduce two of their coastal cities exposed to the Cyclone. All ships in coastal areas affected by the Cyclone are returned to stock.
29.6.1.4 Any player holding Masonry (30.24) may reduce one less city.
29.6.1.5 Any player holding Calendar (30.7) may reduce two less cites and may keep two ships.
29.6.1.6 Any player holding Trade Empire (30.47) must reduce one additional city.

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30.24 Masonry (Craft – 60)
30.24.1 Provides 10 Craft credits and 5 Science credits. Provides 10 extra credits to Engineering.
30.24.2 One less city is reduced due to Cyclone (29.6.1.4).

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30.7 Calendar (Science – 180)
30.7.1 Provides 10 Science credits and 5 Civic credits. Provides 20 extra credits to Public Works.
30.7.2 Five less unit points are lost by a secondary victim of Famine (29.3.1.3).
30.7.3 Two less cities are reduced, and two less ships are destroyed, due to Cyclone (29.6.1.5).

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Masonry
CYCLONE: One less city is reduced.

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Calendar:
CYCLONE: Two less cities are destroyed, and two less ships are destroyed.

Flo de Haan wrote:

Current Rules:

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- Cyclone occurs in a specific area.
- All cities of the primary victim adjacent to the cyclone area are exposed.
- Only 3 (or less if the victim has less) of the exposed cities are affected.
- The affected cities must be reduced.
- Masonry: One of the affected cities does not have to be reduced.
(Actually there will be a cyclone at this city, but due to masonry no reducing)

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29.6.1.4 Any player holding Masonry (30.24) may reduce one less city.
29.6.1.5 Any player holding Calendar (30.7) may reduce two less cites and may keep two ships.
29.6.1.6 Any player holding Trade Empire (30.47) must reduce one additional city.

Flo de Haan wrote:

You have a point.
When you speak about keeping a city when a player holds Masonry and that player has 4 cities he keeps the city anyway. (even without Masonry)

MerlokDD wrote:

How about:
"With Masonry he keeps one of the affected cities, instead of reducing it."

Flo de Haan wrote:

You have a point.
When you speak about keeping a city when a player holds Masonry and that player has 4 cities he keeps the city anyway. (even without Masonry)

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29.6.1 Cyclone (major, non-tradable)

29.6.1.1 A Cyclone will occur in an open sea area and all ships and cities in adjacent coastal areas are exposed to Cylone.
The open sea area that will expose the most of the primary victim’s coastal cities must be chosen.
The primary victim breaks any ties.

29.6.1.2 If the primary victim has no cities exposed to Cyclone, this calamity has no effect.

29.6.1.3 The primary victim must choose three of his exposed coastal cities to be affected by Cyclone.
If he has less than three cities exposed all of his exposed cities are affected.

29.6.1.4
All other players must choose two of their coastal cities exposed to the Cyclone to be affected by Cyclone.
If they have less than two cities exposed all of their exposed cities are affected.

29.6.1.5
All affected cities are reduced. All ships exposed by Cyclone are affected and returned to stock.

29.6.1.6 Any player holding Masonry (30.24) may keep one of the affected cities, instead of reducing it.

29.6.1.7 Any player holding Calendar (30.7) may keep two of the affected cities instead of reducing it and may keep two ships also.

29.6.1.8 Any player holding Trade Empire (30.47) has one more of the exposed cities affected.

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29.6.1 Cyclone (major, non-tradable)

29.6.1.1 A Cyclone will occur in an open sea area and all ships and cities in adjacent coastal areas are exposed to Cylone.
The open sea area that will expose the most of the primary victim’s coastal cities must be chosen. The primary victim breaks any ties.
If the primary victim has no cities exposed to Cyclone, this calamity has no effect.

29.6.1.2 The primary victim must choose three of his exposed coastal cities to be affected by Cyclone. If he has less than three cities exposed all of his exposed cities are affected.

29.6.1.3 All other players must choose two of their coastal cities exposed to Cyclone to be affected by Cyclone.
If they have less than two cities exposed all of their exposed cities are affected.

29.6.1.4 All affected cities are reduced.

29.6.1.5 All ships exposed to Cyclone are affected and returned to stock.

29.6.1.6 Any player holding Masonry (30.24) may reduce one less city than the total amount of his affected cities.

29.6.1.7 Any player holding Calendar (30.7) may reduce two less cites than the total amount of his affected cities and may remove two less ships than the total amount of his ships in the affected areas.

29.6.1.8 Any player holding Trade Empire (30.47) must reduce one additional city than the total amount of his affected cities.

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30.7 Calendar (Science – 180)
30.7.1 Provides 10 Science credits and 5 Civic credits. Provides 20 extra credits to Public Works.
30.7.2 Five less unit points are lost by a secondary victim of Famine (29.3.1.3).
30.7.3 Two less cities are reduced (29.6.1.4), and two less ships are removed, due to Cyclone (29.6.1.5).

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30.24 Masonry (Craft – 60)
30.24.1 Provides 10 Craft credits and 5 Science credits. Provides 10 extra credits to Engineering.
30.24.2 One less city is reduced due to Cyclone (29.6.1.4).

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30.47 Trade Empire (Craft – 260)
30.47.1 Provides 10 Craft credits and 5 Civic credits.
30.47.2 One additional city is reduced due to Cyclone (29.6.1.6).
30.47.3 Five additional unit points are destroyed due to Epidemic (29.6.2.4).
30.47.4 During the Special Abilities Phase (25.7), a holder may ask, in turn, up to three players not holding Trade Empire or Wonder of the World for a single named commodity card. If the player asked holds that card, the holder collects it and may not ask anyone else for it this turn.

Flo de Haan wrote:

coming close.

still I think, 'keeping' is to be avoided.

MerlokDD wrote:

Flo de Haan wrote:

coming close.

still I think, 'keeping' is to be avoided.

Alternatives to keeping could be

29.6.1.6 Any player holding Masonry (30.24) may hold on one of his affected cities, instead of reducing it.
29.6.1.6 Any player holding Masonry (30.24) may retain one of his affected cities, instead of reducing it.
29.6.1.6 Any player holding Masonry (30.24) does not reduce one of his affected cities.
29.6.1.6 Any player holding Masonry (30.24) may reduce one less of his affected cities.

The last variant is possible after definition of exposed and affected cities.

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29.6.1 Cyclone (major, non-tradable)
29.6.1.1 A Cyclone will occur in an open sea area and all ships and cities in adjacent coastal areas are exposed to Cylone.
The open sea area that will expose the most of the primary victim’s coastal cities must be chosen. The primary victim breaks any ties.
If the primary victim has no cities exposed to Cyclone, this calamity has no effect.
29.6.1.2 The primary victim must choose three of his exposed coastal cities to be affected by Cyclone. If he has less than three cities exposed all of his exposed cities are affected.
29.6.1.3 All other players must choose two of their coastal cities exposed to Cyclone to be affected by Cyclone.
If they have less than two cities exposed all of their exposed cities are affected.
29.6.1.4 All affected cities are reduced.
29.6.1.5 All ships exposed to Cyclone are affected and returned to stock.
29.6.1.6 Any player holding Masonry (30.24) may reduce one less city than the total amount of his affected cities.
29.6.1.7 Any player holding Calendar (30.7) may reduce two less cites than the total amount of his affected cities and may remove two less ships than the total amount of his ships in the affected areas.

29.6.1.8 Any player holding Trade Empire (30.47) must reduce one additional city than the total amount of his affected cities.

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30.24 Masonry (Craft – 60)
30.24.1 Provides 10 Craft credits and 5 Science credits. Provides 10 extra credits to Engineering.
30.24.2 One less city is reduced due to Cyclone (29.6.1.4).

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Flo de Haan wrote:

It's not so much for the exact word but what my problem is with either 'keep' or 'hold' that it may be confusing when you have more than 3 cities. As mentioned above. Youget to keep that 4th city anyway.

MerlokDD wrote:

29.6.1.2 The primary victim must choose three of his exposed coastal cities to be affected by Cyclone. If he has less than three cities exposed all of his exposed cities are affected.

Flo de Haan wrote:

...
Now we are looking close at this clamity anyway, I think we should be talking about 'destroying' ships instead of 'removing'.

MerlokDD wrote:

29.6.1.5 All affected cities are reduced. All ships exposed by Cyclone are affected and returned to stock.

MerlokDD wrote:

29.6.1.5 All affected cities are reduced. All ships exposed by Cyclone are destroyed and returned to stock.

Author:	MerlokDD [ 2008-11-19 13:56:00 ]
Post subject:	One less city to be reduced ???
Yesterday we had a (for us) very hard question: What means exactly: "29.6.1.4 A primary or secondary victim holding Masonry (30.24) reduces one less city." Is this "one less" to be counted down from the maximum of three or from the actual damage in the specific situation? We had one player with two cities at one open sea area having Masonry and a Cyclone. We had two argumentations: 1. Cyclone -> usually 3 cities -> Masonry -> one less city -> 2 cities have to be reduced -> he reduces all of his 2 cities at this open sea 2. Cyclone -> he has only 2 cities at this open sea -> Masonry -> only one city has to be reduced From our point of view, it is not clear if the "on less city" is to be counted from the maximum or the actual situation. The second version would mean that with Masonry having only one city this city is always safe. By the way: Same with Superstition and Mysticism/Deism/Enlightment and you do have only 1 or 2 cities.

Author:	Flo de Haan [ 2008-11-19 14:24:23 ]
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Answer to question A: I doubt with you. It's a fact this should be clearified in the rules. In my point of view it should be read as: You get an amount of damage, and you may subtract one city from that. Or: Masonry protects one of your cities. Not: Masonry protects only a city if you have three or more cities. This seems the most reasonable option to me. This way the answer to question B results in the same Enlightenment protects one of your cities. You may subtract one city from the amount of damage you get.

Author:	MerlokDD [ 2008-11-19 15:02:49 ]
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Flo de Haan wrote: ...I doubt with you. It's a fact this should be clearified in the rules. ... Any idea to clearify it waterproof??

Author:	Flo de Haan [ 2008-11-19 15:52:31 ]
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Current Rules: Quote: 29.6.1 Cyclone (major, non-tradable) 29.6.1.1 A Cyclone will occur in an open sea area and affect all adjacent coastal areas. The open sea area that will affect the most of the primary victim’s cities must be chosen. The primary victim breaks any ties. 29.6.1.2 If the primary victim has no cities vulnerable to Cyclone, this calamity has no effect. 29.6.1.3 The primary victim must reduce three of his coastal cities exposed to the Cyclone. All other players must each reduce two of their coastal cities exposed to the Cyclone. All ships in coastal areas affected by the Cyclone are returned to stock. 29.6.1.4 Any player holding Masonry (30.24) may reduce one less city. 29.6.1.5 Any player holding Calendar (30.7) may reduce two less cites and may keep two ships. 29.6.1.6 Any player holding Trade Empire (30.47) must reduce one additional city. Quote: 30.24 Masonry (Craft – 60) 30.24.1 Provides 10 Craft credits and 5 Science credits. Provides 10 extra credits to Engineering. 30.24.2 One less city is reduced due to Cyclone (29.6.1.4). Quote: 30.7 Calendar (Science – 180) 30.7.1 Provides 10 Science credits and 5 Civic credits. Provides 20 extra credits to Public Works. 30.7.2 Five less unit points are lost by a secondary victim of Famine (29.3.1.3). 30.7.3 Two less cities are reduced, and two less ships are destroyed, due to Cyclone (29.6.1.5). On the card: Quote: Masonry CYCLONE: One less city is reduced. On the Card: Quote: Calendar: CYCLONE: Two less cities are destroyed, and two less ships are destroyed. I think the cards are clear enough. the only thing that should change to me is this: 29.6.1.4 Any player holding Masonry (30.24) may reduce one less city. (Any player holding Masonry (30.24) may keep one additional city) 29.6.1.5 Any player holding Calendar (30.7) may reduce two less cites and may keep two ships. (Any player holding Calendar (30.7) may keep two additional cities and may keep two ships) But maybe it's clear enough after all... It seems strange to me that you speak about keeping ships but yet about reducing less cities. that's not equally. But speaking about keeping ships or cities is not the right solution.

Author:	MerlokDD [ 2008-11-19 16:07:43 ]
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Flo de Haan wrote: Current Rules: Quote: 29.6.1 Cyclone (major, non-tradable) 29.6.1.1 A Cyclone will occur in an open sea area and affect all adjacent coastal areas. The open sea area that will affect the most of the primary victim’s cities must be chosen. The primary victim breaks any ties. 29.6.1.2 If the primary victim has no cities vulnerable to Cyclone, this calamity has no effect. 29.6.1.3 The primary victim must reduce three of his coastal cities exposed to the Cyclone. All other players must each reduce two of their coastal cities exposed to the Cyclone. All ships in coastal areas affected by the Cyclone are returned to stock. 29.6.1.4 Any player holding Masonry (30.24) may reduce one less city. 29.6.1.5 Any player holding Calendar (30.7) may reduce two less cites and may keep two ships. 29.6.1.6 Any player holding Trade Empire (30.47) must reduce one additional city. I am quite unhappy about the text, as there are different wordings - cyclone occurs in area - affected city - vulnerable city - exposed city - cities to be reduced There will be no problem if the wording will be explained or defined (maybe like this): - Cyclone occurs in a specific area. - All cities of the primary victim adjacent to the cyclone area are exposed. - Only 3 (or less if the victim has less) of the exposed cities are affected. - The affected cities must be reduced. - Masonry: One of the affected cities does not have to be reduced. (Actually there will be a cyclone at this city, but due to masonry no reducing)

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Author:	Flo de Haan [ 2008-11-19 16:16:03 ]
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You have a point. When you speak about keeping a city when a player holds Masonry and that player has 4 cities he keeps the city anyway. (even without Masonry) Quote: - Cyclone occurs in a specific area. - All cities of the primary victim adjacent to the cyclone area are exposed. - Only 3 (or less if the victim has less) of the exposed cities are affected. - The affected cities must be reduced. - Masonry: One of the affected cities does not have to be reduced. (Actually there will be a cyclone at this city, but due to masonry no reducing) About this thing, when you change this, this should be changed equally in the total rulebook, for any calamity that's is describes this way. Maybe you could make a list of this.

Author:	Flo de Haan [ 2008-11-19 16:26:50 ]
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Quote: 29.6.1.4 Any player holding Masonry (30.24) may reduce one less city. 29.6.1.5 Any player holding Calendar (30.7) may reduce two less cites and may keep two ships. 29.6.1.6 Any player holding Trade Empire (30.47) must reduce one additional city. We could change this into: 29.6.1.4 Any player holding Masonry (30.24) may reduce one less city than the number of cities he must reduce. 29.6.1.5 Any player holding Calendar (30.7) may reduce two less cites than the number of cities he must reduce and may remove two less two ships than the number of cities he must reduce. 29.6.1.6 Any player holding Trade Empire (30.47) must reduce one additional city than the number of cities he must reduce. or: 29.6.1.4 Any player holding Masonry (30.24) may reduce one less city from the total amount of his affected cities. 29.6.1.5 Any player holding Calendar (30.7) may reduce two less cites from the total amount of his affected cities and may remove two less ships from the total amount of his ships in the affected areas. 29.6.1.6 Any player holding Trade Empire (30.47) must reduce one additional city from the total amount of his affected cities.

Author:	MerlokDD [ 2008-11-19 16:30:00 ]
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How about: "With Masonry he keeps one of the affected cities, instead of reducing it." Flo de Haan wrote: You have a point. When you speak about keeping a city when a player holds Masonry and that player has 4 cities he keeps the city anyway. (even without Masonry)

Author:	Flo de Haan [ 2008-11-19 16:33:10 ]
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MerlokDD wrote: How about: "With Masonry he keeps one of the affected cities, instead of reducing it." Flo de Haan wrote: You have a point. When you speak about keeping a city when a player holds Masonry and that player has 4 cities he keeps the city anyway. (even without Masonry) Well actually, I'm not so happy about 'keeping' when it actually is 'reducing one less', or you should state 'keep' everywhere.

Author:	MerlokDD [ 2008-11-19 16:37:00 ]
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Some changes for the whole part, including new numbering (references at card descriptions must be changed also..). Main idea was to make a clear difference between "exposed" and "affected". Quote: 29.6.1 Cyclone (major, non-tradable) 29.6.1.1 A Cyclone will occur in an open sea area and all ships and cities in adjacent coastal areas are exposed to Cylone. The open sea area that will expose the most of the primary victim’s coastal cities must be chosen. The primary victim breaks any ties. 29.6.1.2 If the primary victim has no cities exposed to Cyclone, this calamity has no effect. 29.6.1.3 The primary victim must choose three of his exposed coastal cities to be affected by Cyclone. If he has less than three cities exposed all of his exposed cities are affected. 29.6.1.4 All other players must choose two of their coastal cities exposed to the Cyclone to be affected by Cyclone. If they have less than two cities exposed all of their exposed cities are affected. 29.6.1.5 All affected cities are reduced. All ships exposed by Cyclone are affected and returned to stock. 29.6.1.6 Any player holding Masonry (30.24) may keep one of the affected cities, instead of reducing it. 29.6.1.7 Any player holding Calendar (30.7) may keep two of the affected cities instead of reducing it and may keep two ships also. 29.6.1.8 Any player holding Trade Empire (30.47) has one more of the exposed cities affected.

Author:	Flo de Haan [ 2008-11-19 18:49:47 ]
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coming close. still I think, 'keeping' is to be avoided. - You separated the first two lines and I reunited them again. (29.6.1.1 and 29.6.1.2) This is because in this line you only pick the area and I believe that's one action. - You spoke about 'Cyclone' one time and 'The Cyclone' the other time, so I changed that to 'Cyclone' in all cases. - I removed the word 'keep' and changed it into my previous option. - I divided the line of reducing cities and removing ships in two lines. This is my new proposal: Quote: 29.6.1 Cyclone (major, non-tradable) 29.6.1.1 A Cyclone will occur in an open sea area and all ships and cities in adjacent coastal areas are exposed to Cylone. The open sea area that will expose the most of the primary victim’s coastal cities must be chosen. The primary victim breaks any ties. If the primary victim has no cities exposed to Cyclone, this calamity has no effect. 29.6.1.2 The primary victim must choose three of his exposed coastal cities to be affected by Cyclone. If he has less than three cities exposed all of his exposed cities are affected. 29.6.1.3 All other players must choose two of their coastal cities exposed to Cyclone to be affected by Cyclone. If they have less than two cities exposed all of their exposed cities are affected. 29.6.1.4 All affected cities are reduced. 29.6.1.5 All ships exposed to Cyclone are affected and returned to stock. 29.6.1.6 Any player holding Masonry (30.24) may reduce one less city than the total amount of his affected cities. 29.6.1.7 Any player holding Calendar (30.7) may reduce two less cites than the total amount of his affected cities and may remove two less ships than the total amount of his ships in the affected areas. 29.6.1.8 Any player holding Trade Empire (30.47) must reduce one additional city than the total amount of his affected cities. Quote: 30.7 Calendar (Science – 180) 30.7.1 Provides 10 Science credits and 5 Civic credits. Provides 20 extra credits to Public Works. 30.7.2 Five less unit points are lost by a secondary victim of Famine (29.3.1.3). 30.7.3 Two less cities are reduced (29.6.1.4), and two less ships are removed, due to Cyclone (29.6.1.5). Quote: 30.24 Masonry (Craft – 60) 30.24.1 Provides 10 Craft credits and 5 Science credits. Provides 10 extra credits to Engineering. 30.24.2 One less city is reduced due to Cyclone (29.6.1.4). Quote: 30.47 Trade Empire (Craft – 260) 30.47.1 Provides 10 Craft credits and 5 Civic credits. 30.47.2 One additional city is reduced due to Cyclone (29.6.1.6). 30.47.3 Five additional unit points are destroyed due to Epidemic (29.6.2.4). 30.47.4 During the Special Abilities Phase (25.7), a holder may ask, in turn, up to three players not holding Trade Empire or Wonder of the World for a single named commodity card. If the player asked holds that card, the holder collects it and may not ask anyone else for it this turn.

Author:	MerlokDD [ 2008-11-20 9:22:47 ]
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Flo de Haan wrote: coming close. still I think, 'keeping' is to be avoided. Alternatives to keeping could be 29.6.1.6 Any player holding Masonry (30.24) may hold on one of his affected cities, instead of reducing it. 29.6.1.6 Any player holding Masonry (30.24) may retain one of his affected cities, instead of reducing it. 29.6.1.6 Any player holding Masonry (30.24) does not reduce one of his affected cities. 29.6.1.6 Any player holding Masonry (30.24) may reduce one less of his affected cities. The last variant is possible after definition of exposed and affected cities.

Author:	Flo de Haan [ 2008-11-20 9:23:52 ]
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MerlokDD wrote: Flo de Haan wrote: coming close. still I think, 'keeping' is to be avoided. Alternatives to keeping could be 29.6.1.6 Any player holding Masonry (30.24) may hold on one of his affected cities, instead of reducing it. 29.6.1.6 Any player holding Masonry (30.24) may retain one of his affected cities, instead of reducing it. 29.6.1.6 Any player holding Masonry (30.24) does not reduce one of his affected cities. 29.6.1.6 Any player holding Masonry (30.24) may reduce one less of his affected cities. The last variant is possible after definition of exposed and affected cities. It's not so much for the exact word but what my problem is with either 'keep' or 'hold' that it may be confusing when you have more than 3 cities. As mentioned above. Youget to keep that 4th city anyway. Now we are looking close at this clamity anyway, I think we should be talking about 'destroying' ships instead of 'removing'. Quote: 29.6.1 Cyclone (major, non-tradable) 29.6.1.1 A Cyclone will occur in an open sea area and all ships and cities in adjacent coastal areas are exposed to Cylone. The open sea area that will expose the most of the primary victim’s coastal cities must be chosen. The primary victim breaks any ties. If the primary victim has no cities exposed to Cyclone, this calamity has no effect. 29.6.1.2 The primary victim must choose three of his exposed coastal cities to be affected by Cyclone. If he has less than three cities exposed all of his exposed cities are affected. 29.6.1.3 All other players must choose two of their coastal cities exposed to Cyclone to be affected by Cyclone. If they have less than two cities exposed all of their exposed cities are affected. 29.6.1.4 All affected cities are reduced. 29.6.1.5 All ships exposed to Cyclone are affected and returned to stock. 29.6.1.6 Any player holding Masonry (30.24) may reduce one less city than the total amount of his affected cities. 29.6.1.7 Any player holding Calendar (30.7) may reduce two less cites than the total amount of his affected cities and may remove two less ships than the total amount of his ships in the affected areas. 29.6.1.8 Any player holding Trade Empire (30.47) must reduce one additional city than the total amount of his affected cities. Quote: 30.7 Calendar (Science – 180) 30.7.1 Provides 10 Science credits and 5 Civic credits. Provides 20 extra credits to Public Works. 30.7.2 Five less unit points are lost by a secondary victim of Famine (29.3.1.3). 30.7.3 Two less cities are reduced (29.6.1.4), and two less ships are destroyed, due to Cyclone (29.6.1.5). Quote: 30.24 Masonry (Craft – 60) 30.24.1 Provides 10 Craft credits and 5 Science credits. Provides 10 extra credits to Engineering. 30.24.2 One less city is reduced due to Cyclone (29.6.1.4). Quote: 30.47 Trade Empire (Craft – 260) 30.47.1 Provides 10 Craft credits and 5 Civic credits. 30.47.2 One additional city is reduced due to Cyclone (29.6.1.6). 30.47.3 Five additional unit points are destroyed due to Epidemic (29.6.2.4). 30.47.4 During the Special Abilities Phase (25.7), a holder may ask, in turn, up to three players not holding Trade Empire or Wonder of the World for a single named commodity card. If the player asked holds that card, the holder collects it and may not ask anyone else for it this turn.

Author:	MerlokDD [ 2008-11-20 9:30:12 ]
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Flo de Haan wrote: It's not so much for the exact word but what my problem is with either 'keep' or 'hold' that it may be confusing when you have more than 3 cities. As mentioned above. Youget to keep that 4th city anyway. That's why I am writing about "keeps/holds one of the affected cities". By definition before only 3 of the exposed cities are affected. MerlokDD wrote: 29.6.1.2 The primary victim must choose three of his exposed coastal cities to be affected by Cyclone. If he has less than three cities exposed all of his exposed cities are affected.

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Author:	MerlokDD [ 2008-11-20 9:32:41 ]
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Flo de Haan wrote: ... Now we are looking close at this clamity anyway, I think we should be talking about 'destroying' ships instead of 'removing'. I proposed: MerlokDD wrote: 29.6.1.5 All affected cities are reduced. All ships exposed by Cyclone are affected and returned to stock. but it could be easily: MerlokDD wrote: 29.6.1.5 All affected cities are reduced. All ships exposed by Cyclone are destroyed and returned to stock.